Promoting equity-centered cannabis policy reform Imani Dawson the Founder and President of TCC Media and Director at the Cannabis Education Advocacy Symposium & Expo (CEASE) is today's guest. Growing up in NYC, she joins Scheril Murray-Powell, Esq, to talk about her life in cannabis and how she's using her unique talents to improve the lives of the people in her community and advance the cannabis movement. They discuss CEASE mission to promote inclusion, equity and justice in the cannabis community by increasing awareness and educating consumers, particularly those marginalized by prohibition, about the medical and economic benefits of the plant. Executive Producer: Scheril Murray-Powell Produced by PodConx Scheril Murray-Powell, Esq, - https://podconx.com/guests/scheril-murray-powell Imani Dawson - https://podconx.com/guests/imani-dawson TCC Media - https://www.tccmedia.co/ Cannabis Education Advocacy Symposium & Expo (CEASE) - https://www.ceaseconference.org/
Promoting equity-centered cannabis policy reform
Imani Dawson the Founder and President of TCC Media and Director at the Cannabis Education Advocacy Symposium & Expo (CEASE) is today's guest. Growing up in NYC, she joins Scheril Murray-Powell, Esq, to talk about her life in cannabis and how she's using her unique talents to improve the lives of the people in her community and advance the cannabis movement. They discuss CEASE mission to promote inclusion, equity and justice in the cannabis community by increasing awareness and educating consumers, particularly those marginalized by prohibition, about the medical and economic benefits of the plant.
Executive Producer: Scheril Murray-Powell
Scheril Murray-Powell, Esq, - https://podconx.com/guests/scheril-murray-powell
Imani Dawson - https://podconx.com/guests/imani-dawson
TCC Media - https://www.tccmedia.co/
Cannabis Education Advocacy Symposium & Expo (CEASE) - https://www.ceaseconference.org/
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Sheril Murray-Powell: Well, hello everyone. Welcome back. It is Cheryl Marie, pal Esquire with TURPs in the city. And as TURPs in the city is a show that talks about all things cannabis and this season in particular. We're focused on my transition into the New York market, my return home to my native New York. And I have some very interesting guests.
So on today's episode, I'd like to introduce you to none other than in Dawson and Mani Dawson is an activist and she is a soldier in the movement. And. So, so, so, so much respect for her. And I, I want to get to know her better and I figured you guys all did as well. Now again, New York is the backdrop for this season, and I think Amani is a mover and shaker that you may not really know about.
Or, and I think she's under appreciated. So let's go ahead and show some love for Amani Dawson. Welcome.
Imani Dawson: Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here with you, Cheryl Esquire.
Sheril Murray-Powell: That's right. That's right. I check people when they forget the [00:01:00] Esquire in print.
Imani Dawson: I work with attorneys. I know how they feel about that hard earned
Sheril Murray-Powell: That's way those three letters. But I want to hear more about you and your experience. I think we can start at the beginning cause you've been in the industry for quite a long time. How many years have you been.
Imani Dawson: Wow. That is a great question. At this point, I would say that my interest in cannabis as an industry really began in 2016. So that makes your lucky number six.
Sheril Murray-Powell: So same, same with my interest in the legal industry started 2016. So we're, we have the St where we were actually singing from the same song seat. And then what are you doing currently in the cannabis industry for like, is it your job job or, or do you have or was it a side thing? What is the cannabis for you?
Right.
Imani Dawson: I mean, that's a great question.
Associated with cannabis and specifically the New York space since 2016, it's given me the benefit to pivot [00:02:00] my personal skills and my background into a space that is rapidly growing. And I think like a lot of other people I'm still navigating the space, trying to figure out like how I can best be of service and also. you.
know, create the kind of legacy that we talk about being available here. I am someone who is a storyteller by trade. I love, first of all, I love podcasting because I love conversations. So I listened to a few and I have added to some of the cities in my list. And I come into this space from that lens.
I started my professional career as a once. I had committed myself to like the creative arts cause I actually studied business in college. I had gone to an independent school on the upper east side and. Was from one of em from actually em, from one of the toughest neighborhoods in [00:03:00] old Brooklyn, it's still tough.
It's gentrifying, we have our coffee shops at east New York. Now we've never had coffee shops. And we have you can tell the the demographics are shifting even there, but growing up, it was one of the poorest and most neglected and underserved areas of the city. And so I had a journey from east New York to like the.
Most elite, most privileged community in our city. And that was my daily juxtaposition Monday through Friday for like six years. And there is where I kind of. Received the support to develop my voice, to kind of question things and also learning what it means to be an outsider and learning how to observe until like my story like me in proximity to this space and also tell the stories of others around.
And that's also, That was all happening up against the height of [00:04:00] the drug war in Brooklyn and in the city. So I'm growing up in the eighties and nineties, like when the central park jogger situation happened and, five innocent young, black and brown boys were essentially framed.
I was part of, I was the same age as. Watching all of this happen, like watching how our communities were policed and how, one chance encounter with the police could upend somebody's entire life. I've know people who got caught with cannabis, possession, and that started a chain that led to mass incarceration.
So my feeling about cannabis growing up was that, Nancy. And Ron said to just say no, So that's what I was going to do because I was a good kid. I was an ambitious kid. I was like, I, you know what? I don't want to get trapped up in this drugs are bad. I buy it.
Sheril Murray-Powell: you believe that.[00:05:00]
Imani Dawson: totally, totally, but I mean, that was also a key part of like my identification as a kid and also like.
You know how I protected myself from a, growing up in a traumatic neighborhood under traumatic circumstances. Like I was blessed to have a really warm and loving and caring and. Family village, but we were still bore. We were black and we were subject to a lot of the challenges that come even in a city like New York, which now feels sometimes like a progressive bastion until you peel the layer back.
And you're like, oh my goodness. Or people being displaced. Y can not afford to live here, and you start asking yourself hard questions about New York, but then it was a a much more Harsh and challenging place to be just in general. And so I was determined to just succeed. I didn't know what that meant other than just being adult enough to take care of myself.
And [00:06:00] didn't really consume cannabis. As a matter of fact, I remember hearing that.
a friend of mine was using cannabis in college and I was like, so worried about him. I was like, he's smoking weed. This is the beginning of the end.
Sheril Murray-Powell: Right
Imani Dawson: And so I, I.
Sheril Murray-Powell: drug.
Imani Dawson: caught up in the gateway, and then also what would happen if he got caught and then he got kicked out of school or whatever, lost his scholarship.
And I actually remember calling, it was like a nap, like a national drug hotline. And I was like, oh my goodness, like, what'll happen is somebody uses cannabis. And they were basically like, it'll, they'll be fine. I was like, oh,
Sheril Murray-Powell: We're not here for that. We're here for real addiction.
Imani Dawson: Yeah, call me when you want some advice about crack, like you, then they didn't really want to talk about, but that was my first inkling that perhaps this drug wasn't as Deadly as I had been led to [00:07:00] believe, and this is of course just like juxtaposed to the elders, like my mom's generation who used cannabis as a way to like unwind from their own pressures on the weekend.
So like, even like, I'm telling you like, oh my God, I was like, first is cannabis. And then it's crack. I knew people who shall remain nameless because they will be like, you might even while you're talking about our business, On a podcast, but they would, they would go and smoke every weekend. It was it was part of their social interaction. And now that I know more
Sheril Murray-Powell: And many parents and many parents.
Imani Dawson: I know that it was also medicine. It was stressful stress management, like eight being the eighties and like navigating life, especially as a single parent, my mom was, come on.
Sheril Murray-Powell: Yep. We weren't just, don't say no to drugs. They were like say yes to this capitalism. So navigating that and in Brooklyn, back in the eighties and [00:08:00] nineties for parents with multiple children it wasn't easy. And one thing that you touched upon that I kind of want to explore a little bit is the duality of being oh, a black child where you had the benefit of access to very elite spaces, privileged spaces, and then the return to, your, your own domestic situation, which you, as you described it as a traumatizing environment as far as the, what the neighborhood was like, and the things that you witnessed.
So let's talk about that. And, and with that, how has that prepared you for the duality of being true to your culture in canvas space, but still having to navigate with these large companies and, and be present in these white spaces in order to give access to others. So can we talk a little bit about.
Imani Dawson: Yeah, absolutely. So. Let's start with just like the experience of going to independent school and then coming home in [00:09:00] some way it was difficult. Initially it was, I would say those first years were the hardest of my childhood because I went from a. Sort of enclave of gifted students who all have the same sort of cultural lens that I did coming from the same community to then being in a program.
I was in a program called prep for prep, which gets minority students into independent schools, or I should say students of color into independent schools. And so I then went from like one sort of cohort of really smart and Curious students to another cohort where We as part of the training for the program are really introduced to like what it means to study, but also to really work hard in a school environment.
Like that was the first time I really had to work on and then getting to spend since. The work was definitely more challenging than I was used to, but the biggest, the biggest issue for me [00:10:00] initially, was feeling just very much like I didn't belong in the space because I, in some ways represented like the antithesis of the typical spend student, right.
Like I was Poor and most were not, I was black, most more white. I came from Brooklyn and, people looked at me with like sadness and pity in their eyes when they were like, oh my God, you're from Brooklyn. And it's so funny now. Cause I go back to reunions and like, oh my God, Brooklyn is so hot.
And I'm like, you're welcome. You're welcome for
Sheril Murray-Powell: We made it that way.
Imani Dawson: Exactly. I'm like, you're so welcome girls. So there was a lot of, there was a real sense of like not belonging, right. And, and wanting to belong. I, I think that I am one of those people that. Thrives in community. And so it was hard.
And then I just kind of determined that I belong there. First of all, that I recognize the benefit that I brought to the [00:11:00] space, which is a perspective that most of the girls in my class had not had up until that point. The way.
that they engage with Black people were as. So here's a pier.
And I also recognize that I got a much better education than most of the people who lives in my community. Like I am by better education. I mean that, I was lucky enough to be taught by. Progressive instructors, even if they didn't always that wasn't always the reflection of like the parent body or even the student body, but they were open and honest about issues like structural racism laid out, being in school was the first time I ever heard that, like, there was a direct correlation to like enslavement the enslavement of our ancestors for hundreds of years in the current conditions. Of black people, because, as you grow up and you start to wonder and you look beyond your family or, and for some people, maybe you didn't have to look beyond your family. You're like, why [00:12:00] is there this attribute attribution of all bad things? Why is there an association of bad, bad things with blackness, right?
Like that starts to.
Sheril Murray-Powell: black market and all those things.
Imani Dawson: A hundred percent. So I, I am grateful too, for the opportunity to, to learn how to engage with all different types of people and also to value my own voice and what I contribute, what I can contribute,
Sheril Murray-Powell: Yeah.
Imani Dawson: To a space like going being like educated and women's centered environments was a extremely empowering. And it also mirrored my my home life, where my mother was a single parent raising daughters. So it w it taught me how to feel confident and prepared in any room. And that has served me well throughout my career. And cannabis is, is, sort of the most recent iteration of what has been [00:13:00] a really colorful and momentous journey for.
Sheril Murray-Powell: I love that. Thank you for sharing. And I think a lot of people of culture, have similar experiences with that too. . Things on television now, and now the television showing more diversity, which reflects that, that child who has to, for, to further their entire family, everyone's hopes and dreams is hanging on their success and that pressure and going into those sometimes unwelcome spaces. But I love how you talked about your transition to a pure, a position of power where you're like, I'm bringing a lot here as well. I'm giving you perspective as well.
I have confidence and the piece that I hadn't really ever thought about is. Being educated in women's centered spaces. And I haven't experienced that. So I think that also kinda contributes to, to who you are as a person. And I, I love to hear that. And it's something for consideration. You, you mentioned that some of your [00:14:00] peers in school, they're only interface with people of color were with their servants and how you had to.
Help them understand that you're your personhood. And I think Viola Davis, in a recent article, I read had a similar experience where one of the directors on one of her movies called her Louise. And then she, I think the name was Louise. I want to say Louise. And then she realized that that was the name of his maid, and, and, and those types of it's not even a microaggression, but it's just like, a painful experience that or a reminder of the fact that.
We are not in view for so many people. And I think going through the cannabis industry and navigating an event sometimes, we all know when we go into that space or someone, an ally is introducing us in the person's eyes glaze over. Like, they're not really trying to meet you, but they're just shaking your hand and oh, okay, Hey, you're here, but how'd you get here?
Kind of thing.
Imani Dawson: But are you making me [00:15:00] money?
Sheril Murray-Powell: Yeah, exactly. And, and deciding how much do I invest, want to invest in like saying, oh, this is who I am and what I do. So you see me as valuable or you just leave them there. Whatever you're thinking now of me, I'll leave you with that. But you missed out kind of like that Julia Roberts moment with, with the shopping.
So I think that's really interesting. And another point that you made, was about the tragedy of the central park five and how they were framed wrongly convicted The tremendous abuse and they're still dealing with the trauma of that incident. And recently I was watching an episode of Atlanta where I don't know if you've seen this season, but it really deals with a lot of race related issues.
Imani Dawson: I've I'm here. Bubble up, but Netflix and I'm blaming Netflix. Y'all like, I am now a viewer that really has to binge. I need to have four or five, six episodes at a time. I need. My mom cocoon where no one bothers mom, because we know [00:16:00] that she's watching TV and I am waiting for that time. I don't want to watch like one episode.
It would be like, oh, what happens next? So I watched it. I'm going to binge it.
Sheril Murray-Powell: Okay. I highly suggest it because it even certain parts, I, it was uncomfortable and I'm like, wow. But we have to talk about these things. These are topics we've never seen. So the one that I just saw, and again, I kind of binged too, but I don't bitch. Minch post episode season. I'm like Mitzi and I'll be like, oh, I haven't watched Atlanta for three weeks and I'll, I'll watch it.
But one episode. It was they were just talking about like a clothing line and the responsibility of clothing lines. And basically the clothing line had created these central park five branded like jackets, like a tire and everybody's dancing and it's like white people wearing these central park five or whatever.
And It happens though, it seems so ridiculous that you would take, a cultural tragedy and make it into [00:17:00] a, and commercialize it, making it into a commodity basically commercializing pain. Right. But it happens so much. And in cannabis we see where. The Rosta far I culture or the hip hop culture is sometimes bastardized in ways.
That can be offensive or even if it's like, no, w we want to elevate these cultures, but. How diverse is your board that made the decisions on how you roll it out, how you benefit the people that are, that are responsible for this this iconic cultural insignia. So any thoughts on, the, the borrowing of culture or, or how, how we can make sure that we're responsible as an industry, as we're elevating culture.
There's a lot of talk of social equity. There's a lot of talk about indigenous people, any thoughts on how to do that in a very responsible way.
Imani Dawson: I think there's a great question. I actually, want a tie like my past and my experience both as storyteller and also [00:18:00] just someone who is like, who decided very early, that I don't need anyone to define my value in this space. I'm going to let you know what I bring to the table and I'm going to operate like that.
I think that that is a hundred percent. Myself and my family, I'm lucky enough to work in cannabis with my sisters, but that we bring to this basis that we belong here and we recognize what we contribute. I feel like our country has a history of exploiting black people, black labor, black culture, black glove, like, and also, having people who are. Like tragedy pimps at the same time. Right? It's like everything is monetized. I think that we see in this space where the grave injustice of mass incarceration, which we all know was fueled by, marijuana arrests, drug arrest, the, the war on drugs like that [00:19:00] in and of itself has been the. That has for so long, like powered the cannabis legalization movement. And that's really important. Right. And I don't think that the harm to black and brown communities to BiPAP communities and most particularly black people, because I feel like we have borne the brunt
Sheril Murray-Powell: Correct.
Imani Dawson: of prohibition and its penalties.
I feel like. We have this opportunity right now to change the culture. We have been changing the culture and poultry powering the movement, but we are also bringing our culture, bringing our sort of arbiters of what are the standard. For this country for pop culture. What's cool. Our pool, just like our ancestors who were part of the jazz age, who, you know, connected with indigenous communities, coming from Mexico that [00:20:00] were using this plant who have their own history of using the plant.
It cool in the 1920s I've borne witness to hip hop, transforming how cannabis is seen in our pop culture. Since I started paying attention to hip hop, right? Like, I get the association and now I understand better the history that we were kind of born into and how cannabis prohibition was used to criminalize students. And people who are on the progressive side and, put them in the hippie category if you will, and black people. Right. So I understand like how it, it got, the pop culture perception came to be like this hippy, stinky, counter-cultural association, but hip hop took that and we made.
Something that was youth driven, something that was fresh. And was it something to be mocked? It was something to be admired. And I feel very strongly that we [00:21:00] help legitimize cannabis and as a community, we need to benefit from its emergence as an industry.
Sheril Murray-Powell: I agree. And in my legacy work in New York I, I get, I've gotten, I've been privileged to work with umami and M one from dead Prez through Steve DeAngelo's justice foundation and unlock, which is unified legacy operators, count council, which actually the, the website just went live.
We got some good press this week, but that's one of the things that. I spoke about in his interview is that connection between hip hop and cannabis. And the fact that hip hop was considered illicit or forbidden, or you could get arrested for playing it loud at a certain period of time. And now it's been kind of, taken over by mainstream culture.
So, I think just looking at it from that perspective, but I want to make a pivot in our conversation because I wanna make sure that I'm role modeling. To the industry that just because you have a black guest on your show doesn't mean that they can only speak to [00:22:00] black related topics. You are, we've talked, we've spoken about your, your his history as a black woman.
We've spoken to about your history as, as a woman. And we've, we've spoken to your history of as a native new Yorker. But you know, I am an advocate for also saying don't just put. Black people on the social equity panel, minority panel put women on women panel, but we can speak to all to all types of topics.
So I want to make a pivot and thank you for sharing, because I think there, we need to have these conversations and I want to push that forward. But I also want to make it clear that you are. Professional in the industry and you can go toe to toe with any other professional and industry on a variety of topics.
So with that said, let's talk about your work with normal. Normal is one of the oldest advocacy organizations in the United States around the world. And you do work with or normal and, and the in New York. Let's, let's hear about the work that you guys are doing as an [00:23:00] organization, as normal and, and the role that you play.
Imani Dawson: Normal is as one of the oldest organizations. I think the oldest actually organization created to legalize cannabis in America and like transform how it was treated as a community is doing. What it's been doing since its inception and that is fighting for for legalization and ultimately the normalization of cannabis in our everyday lives.
And I think that, the most horrible part of prohibition for me is the fact that, cannabis was labeled evil because black and brown people were benefiting from its medicine. And. I think that the organization has been evolving in terms of like how they make the argument, the argument itself, that cannabis prohibition is wrong and that marijuana ought to be available or cannabis ought to be available for [00:24:00] medicinal purposes.
But. For any sort of responsible adult use is that has been consistent. I think how they're telling the story is really evolving. And you said something earlier and I want to affirm What you said about how black people are seen in professional spaces in this country? I do want to say that I, in my work, in this space as a communicator, as a community educator as someone who has helped facilitate conversations with the legacy market about the upcoming opportunity and encourage them to learn more about.
Also expand, working to expand the definition of legacy so that it also includes people like my parents who were essentially medicating themselves using cannabis. Right. There's a whole history and experience of people for whom this is. You know how they heal themselves, [00:25:00] how they D you know, dealt with the anxiety and stress of their times
Sheril Murray-Powell: Yeah.
Imani Dawson: and, and in their lives.
I am working in by choice in by proxy basis. I am advancing our interests in this industry. I'm someone who's worked as a television producer and as a. Like the calm strategists and I'm bringing that same energy into the space. I am helping to create enlightened and empowered cannabis leaders, consumers advocates.
And I think that we all have to be advocates who happen to be black and brown. And that is by choice. You know what I mean? Like I feel like I see very clearly what this industry owes us. And I'm here to help ensure that we get it. So a lot of the work that I've done around communications has been about advancing equity in the space and not just social equity, but like a true, [00:26:00] like equitable industry where there is room for people who are small producers, people who are employers, people who are, learning about stem and using cannabis as the end product, like for the benefits of cannabis,
Sheril Murray-Powell: That is
Imani Dawson: that is where I have chosen to to position myself. So that's what I do as As a company, we do communication, social impact communication. We are in the education and training space, helping our clients define what equity means and transform their culture before it become stuck using an, an anti, progress lens.
Sheril Murray-Powell: Yeah.
Imani Dawson: And also educating consumers about the fact that they need to be choosing cannabis products and brands that have robust relationships with the community and are actively working to make [00:27:00] cannabis a better space.
Sheril Murray-Powell: I think that's powerful, so powerful. And, and, and I don't know if you were able to witness the United nations regenerative cannabis live event that happened a few weeks ago. And the focus that ESE where you present or did you watch it after?
Imani Dawson: I watched the, I watched the video feed. I was not pleasant, but I did work in support of some of the partners that were there. So I'm completely supportive of this sort of global advancement of cannabis as a social. Good as a way forward through ESG. And having it be a space and an industry that ultimately values everyone and then leads the way for a transformation of our society, where everyone can find them a place and we could stop fighting each other or, operating from a place where there, there has to be.
One [00:28:00] group has to be oppressed or multiple groups have to be oppressed for the other groups to survive. Like I think cannabis can be used as a tool for good here in the United States. And that, getting back to your question about normal is also, centered in the work And relationship that I have with normal as part of their DEI efforts and helping to bridge the gap.
The senior board members about like the cannabis culture that they fought for and the legalization that they fought for and the way that they see cannabis and the way it has existed for all of us.
Sheril Murray-Powell: And that's like the critical role that I see you playing in this industry, or like, I don't, I don't want to, I I like people defining themselves. I'm not trying to define you, but I think the value that you bring is tremendous and being able to help people in corporate environments or even people who have an audience through communications.
To really align with these ESG goals. I think you have a bird's eye view of what [00:29:00] is possible, what that could look like, and you, you have the roadmap to get them from their existing environment where I would say ignorance of not knowing that they are missing the speeds to seeing okay.
After these talks about ESG, we want to get there, but we don't know how I think incorporating, yourself as an expert into. Their strategic approach to their growth strategy is exactly the way forward. So, how can I, this is a question I ask all my guests, how can I support you? Having TURPs in city, support you to get to what we like to call the next level in your career and in your whether it's your career, your philanthropy, your your.
Imani Dawson: What I love about what you're doing, Cheryl, is that you are You.
are telling stories. Engaged audience of people who. I would like to believe, share your view and your passion for an industry where everyone can be represented. So I'm grateful for the opportunities that have come on the show and to [00:30:00] talk a little bit about my experience and give folks some context for the work that I'm doing.
Where I've come from to get to this moment, both myself and my sister. Does she, him, my sister ice, and our Dawson group. I would love to talk to you more about the work that you're doing.
Sheril Murray-Powell: Absolutely. I'm ready.
Imani Dawson: I think that, we are at a point now just as an industry and also in the city where we need to be working in concert to, support equity, right.
Like I think we've done a lot of great work in our individual sort of spheres, particularly at the state level. And I want to acknowledge all the advocacy groups like normal and MPP. Even ones like M for M M that were created specifically for people of color and our advancement in this industry.
And I think we need to continue that sort of elevation. I'm proud to work with Kim which is really about the cannabis, health, equity [00:31:00] movement, and ensuring that our communities are prepared for the world's beyond. Prohibition right after prohibition. I can see legalization coming. I know you can see it.
You are moving across the country to help facilitate that and to help advance equity here in New York and other places as well. I'm sure. So I would love to talk to you about that and see how We, can work to get.
Sheril Murray-Powell: we we absolutely will and we will soon and I'm ready and I'm grateful for you. And the last question, before we close out TURPs in the city, and I ask all my guests is if I could introduce you to one person in the world, if there's some, who would you want to be watching the show? Who's that person who can help you move your mission forward.
So if you can meet one person who would that.
Imani Dawson: Oh my God, the minute you said that I was like Oprah Winfrey,
Sheril Murray-Powell: Yes.
Imani Dawson: It's so funny as someone who considers myself. Communications girl or a storyteller like Oprah Winfrey was one of my original role models. I [00:32:00] love that she looked like she could be in my family and someone who looked like she could be a mom or an auntie or a cousin was on TV and setting the standards.
And I think she still has this iconic role, both in our culture and also. For mainstream audiences. And I want, I know Oprah is paying attention to cannabis. I will also to pay attention to the ways in which it has impacted communities of color and to lend her voice and her platform to advancing equity in the space.
So if I could sit down
Sheril Murray-Powell: Yes,
Imani Dawson: and talk to anyone, it would be Oprah. And the first thing that I would do was thank her for her show and the way in which she's impacted women globally. Her encouragement to live like our best lives. And I would then pivot the conversation to talk about the benefit of cannabis as plant-based medicine, how it can help us, bridge gaps in health equity, [00:33:00] economic equity, justice, social equity, and enroll her in the cause.
Sheril Murray-Powell: Well, I think that's an excellent choice and Oprah can move mountains and she's all of our role model. Right? So I think that's a fantastic choice, so, oh bro, reach out to us. We would love to have a conversation and move this
Imani Dawson: I'm saying over is the community.
Sheril Murray-Powell: Yeah, she is. She is. And unfortunately that's our time and Amani, you have been such a blessing by being on and being open to share.
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